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CAT_IMG Posted on 21/1/2008, 01:00




Questa canzone sì che rompe culi.
Intanto apro, poi dirò di più.
 
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karmapolicex
CAT_IMG Posted on 21/1/2008, 23:15




segna l'evoluzione di un Juan molto piu ordinato e ritmico, è il suo pezzo secondo me :)
 
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CAT_IMG Posted on 22/1/2008, 02:58

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intanto che posto il testo...mi dite se ci sentite anche voi quelle parti ritmiche vagamente Drunkship quando inizia la parte più "latineggiante" del pezzo?

I should have known you'd
always scratch that itch
when you asked me for safe passage
on my shoulders where we slid
and just before you laid dead
weight upon its shores
I stung you in the face
for that's the nature of my core

because
I got distance
don't let it close
gotta let me know
you just got to let me know

because
forget which way is out
now
gotta let me know
you just gotta let me know

I'm nowhere near this place
you wear
it's unforgivable
it knows that I am visible
I'm broken mirrors and useless prayer
this lock is healing me
you know you came so willingly
waiting is a vessel that will take me to
love, it knows no order - when you taste the truth
because
I'm trapped in this cement husk
gotta let me go
you just gotta let me go

because
I paid with my own touch now
I brough a little cut
there is blood for every month
in the way you used to call her wicked answers
time is a plague
there's no time in this place
if you don't let me go -
heaven's made a cesspool of us all

I'm nowhere near this place you wear
it's unforgivable

it knows that I am visible
I'm broken mirrors and useless prayer
this lock is healing me
you know you came so willingly
there burns a kiss with serpent scales
there is no miracle
I lost your miracle

I wrap myself around your buried question
through the blisters of confinement
I seek to drain this broken shelter
to refill the pigment case
that I have left

don't stay long
for teeth nurse
the first wound
coats revolve
hope to gain
what if we find
what tongue ties double windsor
invoke to no reply
those that lie have froze
at the border
no implies
close the frame
what if we find
the sunlight draws a curtain
invoke to no reply
there's a place where this depth charge ignites
there's a place where
the soul has no purpose
I can't believe you when your
thirst won't let me go
I am the moment you were always
speaking of because's there's
no fence will hold the sentient
culprit fall about it
say when I can enter them
culprit fall about it
one fell, the other taste won't lie
make no doubt about it
how many blame
how many cave into the pressure I apply
if you take this breath of mine
 
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Lesilent
CAT_IMG Posted on 22/1/2008, 21:31




FINALMENTE un pezzo che torna a spaccare a dovere senza troppo perdersi nel nulla..

Mi esalta.

:bananaguitar:
 
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Walkabout
CAT_IMG Posted on 23/1/2008, 19:37




Sì è fantastica perchè crea un'atmosfera che è molto diversa da tutte le altre create dai tmv, in questo e altri dischi. Ascoltandola mi immagino i suoni sgocciolare via dal basso di Juan... il climax che inizia a 3.40, da "to refill the pigment case that i have left" fino a "i am the moment you have always speaking of because there's", è da manuale dei mars volta e ti esalta da morire... e il finale è un'esplosione ritmica devastante.
 
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Walkabout
CAT_IMG Posted on 24/1/2008, 14:06




image

la moschea di Agadez

SPOILER (click to view)
uhm... quella foto l'ho trovata su wikipedia, ma non sembra anche a voi un dipinto di Giordano?


image

io voglio andare ad Agadez.
 
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Splendini
CAT_IMG Posted on 26/1/2008, 02:40




CITAZIONE (Kitt @ 22/1/2008, 02:58)
...mi dite se ci sentite anche voi quelle parti ritmiche vagamente Drunkship quando inizia la parte più "latineggiante" del pezzo?

si si, ed è uno dei motivi per cui mi fa impazzire! adoro quando latineggiano.

(da quest'ultima affermazione potrei sembrare gay <_< )
 
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CAT_IMG Posted on 27/1/2008, 22:56




in riferimento al commento di starsucker, cito dal booklet:

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"Because"(s) by Henry Trejo

SPOILER (click to view)
ps. io non posseggo l'originale, ma se qualcuno potesse copiare o trovare da qualche parte i credits farebbe un favore al forum
 
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CAT_IMG Posted on 17/3/2008, 11:21




Ramatheson, un utente del comatorio, si è messo ad analizzare riga per riga i pezzi dell'ultimo album. Anzi, ora che leggo un po', mi sono accorto che questo utente non fa altro che da tramite per le interpretazioni di una "fonte anonima", che dice di non poter rivelare in quanto ciò creerebbe un discreto casino nell'ambiente comatoriano. Magari è solo una trovata per dare credito alle sue parole, ma chissà. In ogni caso, copio/incollo, ovviamente queste interpretazioni sono da prendere con le superpinze che tutti avete in tasca quando si parla dei testi di Cedric, ma qualche spunto interessante c'è. Forse il problema di questa interpretazione (e delle altre della serie di Tamharreson) è il fatto di voler restare un po' troppo attaccati a quello che Omar e Cedric hanno rivelato sul concept, forzando i significati per trovare la quadratura del cerchio.
A voi.

CITAZIONE
Agadez: This song is from the daughter spirit/memory's perspective. This is a huge turning point in the story. The events that the whole story of the album revolve around the action of one man, Goliath. His birthplace was Agadez. Agadez is a city in Niger, and when he was young, he was moved to the Middle East during a pilgrimage.

I should have always known
You’d scratch that itch


The daughter is saying that she knows her father was always a man of strong sexual urges, and that he would eventually give into them.

When you asked for safe passage
On my shoulders where we slid


The father asked for a way to release his temptations (asked for safe passage). His temptations were lain on his daughters body (shoulders), and that same body is what caused them to slide into sin.

And just before you laid
Dead weight upon its shores


Just before the father released his horrible urges, and weighed his daughter down with them as well...

I stung you in the face
For that’s the nature of my core


...the daughter was already set to let the secrets out to others, mainly by telling her true love, Tourniquet Man (T.M.). Her love for T.M. was true, and within her "core." It was natural for her to follow her true feelings and reveal even her deepest, darkest secrets (being molested by her father) to real love.

Because
I got distance
Don’t let it close


To start, the daughter had a safe distance between her and her evil father. Unfortunately, no matter how she wished for that distance not to close, it did.

Gotta let me know
You just gotta let me know


To the band. She is pleading with them to help her and "know" a way out of her sin.

Because
Forget which way
Is out now
Gotta let me know
You just gotta let me know


Similar to above. She doesn't know how to escape her sins and being imprisoned with Goliath and the board, and is begging the band to show her how to get out.

I’m nowhere near
This place you wear


She is nowhere near the physical plane of existence that the band members "wear." Their souls are able to wear bodies, unlike hers, which is trapped.

It’s unforgivable

She is angry/jealous, and won't forgive the band for their being able to wear bodies.

It knows that I am visible

Despite being an invisible spirit/memory, the board ("it") knows how to find her and imprison her forever along with Goliath.

I’m broken mirrors

The daughter is something broken by Goliath. Remember in the last song when the mother said, "Break me a mirror"? The girl is saying that she is a mirror (fragile, glass) that was broken by her father. The mother, in the previous track, was saying also there that if Goliath broke their daughter, she wanted it hid away where she could never see the sins.

And useless prayer

The girl, by representing sin, is something that will never be escaped from no matter how much Goliath prays for release. The daughter is "broken mirrors" and "useless prayer(s)."

This lock is healing me

Being able to be in the board, in a way, is healing the daughter by allowing her to be untouched by her father.

You know you came so willingly

No matter what happens or is said, the daughter knows that her father did what he did of his own volition.

Waiting is a vessel
That will take me to


The daughter is waiting for someone real "a vessel" that she can possess in order to escape the board and truly get away from Goliath.

Love, it knows no order –
When you taste the truth


Love is boundless...if the band truly loved her, they would allow themselves to be possessed by her so she could escape. She is appealing to their compassion here. Once they "taste the truth" of this, they will allow her to be freed from the board.

Because
I’m trapped in this cement husk
Gotta let me go
You just gotta let me go


She is trapped in Goliath's spirit, which is at this point inescapable. It is like a case of cement that cannot be broken. He is a "husk" in that he is an empty, evil void. Goliath's spirit is cement in that it is a prison that cannot be broken.


Because
I paid with own touch now


The girl knows she is partly responsible. She is paying for the touches she had with her father. She knows this, and admits it. By admitting it, she shows the band that she is able to admit her part in the whole thing. "Because" of this, they should help her.

I brought a little cut

Because of her actions, she brought about the "cut" that killed her. "Little" here is tongue-in-cheek and downplaying what it really was.

There is blood for every month

There was so much blood that it could equal all the blood a woman loses over the course of a year through menstruation.

In the way you used to
Call her wicked answers


This blood, metaphorically, could be seen by the way the mother sometimes berated and nagged Goliath. This is an allusion to extreme arguments Goliath and his wife had. The daughter here is saying that in part, these arguments pushed Goliath towards his sin.

Time is a plague
There’s no time in this place
(the lyrics are IN, not for as the lyrics on this site say)

Time is a terrible thing to the daughter, because there is no such thing in her prison. She is there for an eternity.

If you don’t let me go –
Heaven’s made a cesspool of us all


If the band doesn't do something to free her, then God himself (Heaven) would strike the band down. The band has sinned by not acting. "Complacency towards a crime is almost as bad as committing it," is what she is saying here.

I’m nowhere near
This place you wear
It’s unforgivable
It knows that I am visible
I’m broken mirrors
And useless prayer
This lock is healing me
You know you came so willingly


See above.

There burns a kiss with serpent scales

The kisses that the sin-bringing person (Goliath) gave his daughter will forever "burn" her. The "serpent" is an allusion to sin. Goliath is the serpent here, and he laid burning kisses on her body.

There is no miracle
I lost your miracle


There is not simple act of fate or "miracle" that can free her. She has lost hope of any such thing.

I wrap myself around
Your buried questions


The daughter is doing her best to answer the band's inquiries, as she feels if she helps them, they may help her as more and more of her story is revealed through the band interviewing her, if you will.

Through blisters of confinement
I seek to drain
This broken shelter
To refill the pigment case
That I have left


The memories are like "blisters," and they are what confines her. She is trying to empty ("drain") her imprisonment out through these abscesses/blisters. If, by exposing these sins and terrible memories ("blisters"), she can escape her "confinement" and perhaps come back into the physical world as a real person. This would allow her to once again occupy ("refill") a body ("pigment case").

Don’t stay long
For teeth nurse
The first wound


A warning to the band: Don't spend too much time involved with all of this. Don't spend too much time digging into and focusing (nursing) on these wounds of hers.

Coats revolve

An allusion to the fact that bodies can be possessed. Bodies ("coats") can change hands ("revolve").

Hope to gain

Of course, this is what the daughter wants.

What if we find
What tongue ties double Windsor


The daughter is worried, and thinks that perhaps something is afoot. She can't see it, but sort of senses subconsciously that things aren't correct. Of course, we, the readers/listeners, know that she is not even real, but a figment of Goliath's broken memory. The daughter senses that she is nothing more than one of Goliath's multiple personalities, but couldn't even explain it to that degree. The tongue-ties lyrics is an image of deceit and lies within lies.

Invoke to no reply

She is making a call ("invoke") for help, but fears there will be no response.

Those that lie
Have froze
At the border


The band, of course, wants to help. However, at this moment, they say they will, but are not commited. The daughter sees them as liars, sensing that them saying, "Of course we'll help you" is a lie. The band has come right up to the point of helping her, but have paused ("froze at the border").

No implies

The bands answer to her first request for help is a delay and pause on their part. They are reluctant, and the daughter "implies" the answer is "no."

Close the frame
What if we find
The sunlight draws a curtain


She now tries to appeal to them again. She tells them, "Fine, just ignore me now. Forget the board ("close the frame"); however, what if it's then discovered that your lives end due to some curse (the sun closes the day, bringing on the night, which is symbolic of the band members' deaths)?"

Invoke to no reply

Now, instead of saying "No" through a reluctant reply, the band has no reply. Before, they said, "No" in her eyes. Now, with no reply, it is an improvment in her eyes. No answer is better than saying "No." She knows that she is getting through to them.

There’s a place
Where this
Depth charge ignites


She now uses images in a desperate effort to get them to help her. She describes where she is trapped. It is a "place" of terrible pain. One type of pain is the pain of burning and drowning simultaneously. A "depth charge" is an explosive dropped into the water, which then explodes.

In this place Where the soul has no purpose

Worse yet, there is no point of existence. As former drug users, the band can identify with boredom. To many recovering/recovered addict, boredom is the greatest threat to them. Boredom often leads to relapses.

I can’t believe you
When your thirst won’t let me go


The daughter can't believe the band will say no to her any longer, because their "thirst" for knowledge keeps them coming back. They are interested in her and her story and this is evidenced by the fact that they continue to come back to the board over and over and over again.

I am the moment you were always speaking of

The daughter has become the moment that the band was looking for when first using the board. After all this time with the board, they have finally found a way to contact a spirit and become involved. The board has gotten them exactly what they wanted it to get for them...unfortunately they got more than they asked for. This line stands out by the way it is sung and the way the music swells/fades, because it is a turning point. From here on out, the band is allied with the daughter in order to destroy Goliath. Notice the frenetic music change; the band is charging forward now with a purpose.

Because there’s no fence will hold
The sentient culprit fall about it


There is not "fence" that can hold Goliath (the sentient culprit). The band must "fall about" Goliath if they are to catch him. They can't contain him if they are to deal with him. They must tackle him, bring him down...destroy him.

Say where I can enter them

She wants the band to show her where and how she can possess one of them...

Culprit fall about it

...because without her controlling one of them directly, she can't work to destroy Goliath.

One fell, the other taste won’t lie
Make no doubt about it


One member must give himself up ("fall") to her in order for her to use the member as a tool for Goliath's destruction. "Taste" is referring to the senses, and how the daughter will erase sensory information in order to make sure the band doesn't remember exactly what was done to destroy Goliath. She assures them it will work, "Make no doubt about it." It does work, as we know. Omar doesn't want to know where the board's broken pieces are buried. He couldn't find it if he tried, for his senses of the experience were clouded.

How many blame
How many cave into the pressure I apply
If you take this breath of mine


This is all simply the daughter telling the band member (Omar) that anyone would cave into her possessions if they give themselves up. He will "cave" to her, and can "blame" her for what he does after he takes in her spirit (breath).

 
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Stephen Dedalus
CAT_IMG Posted on 17/3/2008, 14:43




che coglione sto tizio (Ramato-san, intendo).
 
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spettro_zero
CAT_IMG Posted on 18/3/2008, 19:58




mi piace un sacco sta canzone...mi trasporta subito a monaco,... cedric era un attore favoloso mentre la cantava....
 
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CAT_IMG Posted on 30/3/2008, 11:56
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nei credits c'è scritto:

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"Because"(s) by Henry Trejo

Henry Trejo è il tecnico delle chitarre di Omar, e probabilmente è la seconda voce nei 4 "because" del testo della canzone.
 
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Lil' Bix
CAT_IMG Posted on 31/8/2008, 17:30




amo adoro amo adoro
Ma quanto ha stile?è di un ritmo davvero sensuale...e quanto ha stile l'alternanza fra i piatti nel pezzo "I'm broken mirrors and useless prayer"??? assoluta.
 
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CAT_IMG Posted on 4/9/2008, 13:34

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manco a farlo apposta, ecco il remix di Wes The Mes (già all'opera su Torniquet Man): http://www.myspace.com/westhemessenger

sostanzialmente: brano (di cui, per buona parte, resta solo la voce + qualche beat e noise qua e là) al ralenti.
 
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